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radiographic findings is consistent with dorsal intercalated segment instability (DISI)ممكن تشرح وتنزل وتجيب صور كثيرة

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يا محمد، لما يقول لك السؤال: “radiographic findings consistent with DISI” فهو غالبًا يريد منك “تلتقط” ميل الـ lunate للخلف (dorsiflexion) على lateral wrist radiograph وتثبت ذلك بالأرقام والزوايا الكلاسيكية.

DISI = Dorsal Intercalated Segment Instability[edit | edit source]

  • “Intercalated segment” المقصود بها lunate (تُعتبر قطعة “وسطية” بين radius وcarpus).
  • في DISI: الـ lunate تميل dorsally (extension/dorsiflexion) لأن التوازن الرباطي اتكسر غالبًا بسبب Scapholunate ligament injury → scaphoid يميل للـ flexion بينما lunate تُسحب للـ extension مع triquetrum/capitate.

المسبب الأشهر:

  • Scapholunate ligament injury (خصوصًا بعد FOOSH) وهو المصدر الأكثر كلاسيكية لــ DISI. orthobullets.com[6]

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لازم تكون الصورة true lateral (ده فخ امتحاني: لو الـ lateral غلط الزوايا كلها هتضرب).

  1. Scapholunate angle (SLA) مرتفع
  • الطبيعي تقريبًا 30° إلى 60°.
  • في DISI: غالبًا SLA أكبر من 70° (وهي عبارة امتحانية صريحة جدًا). orthobullets.com[7]
  1. Radiolunate angle (RLA) مرتفع
  • في DISI يحدث dorsal tilt of the lunate ويظهر كـ RLA أكبر من 10°. Radiopaedia[8]
  1. Capitolunate angle (أو Lunocapitate angle) مرتفع
  • كثير من المراجع تذكر Capitolunate angle أكبر من 30° كداعم قوي للـ DISI. PMC[9]
1. Scapholunate gap widening[edit | edit source]
  • “Terry Thomas sign” (زيادة المسافة بين scaphoid وlunate).
  • أحيانًا تحتاج stress views مثل clenched fist view لإظهار الـ widening إذا كانت الإصابة ديناميكية. pubs.rsna.org[10]
  1. Scaphoid ring sign
  • نتيجة scaphoid flexion/rotary subluxation (حلقة/دائرة واضحة في scaphoid على PA).

- على lateral: - ارسم محور طويل لـ scaphoid ومحور لـ lunate → ده يعطيك Scapholunate angle. - محور radius مع محور lunate → Radiolunate angle. - محور capitate مع محور lunate → Capitolunate angle. الفكرة موجودة بصريًّا في الصور المرفقة في الأعلى (خصوصًا الرسوم التعليمية).[edit | edit source]

- ليست كل زيادة في SLA = DISI إذا كانت اللقطة ليست true lateral أو كان المعصم في وضع غير neutral. PMC[11][edit | edit source]

  • DISI قد تكون dynamic: PA طبيعي تقريبًا لكن تظهر بالـ clenched fist أو ulnar deviation stress. pubs.rsna.org[12]
  • فرّق بين DISI و VISI: - DISI عادة مع Scapholunate ligament injury - VISI عادة مع Lunotriquetral ligament injury (وهنا lunate تميل volarly). PMC[13]

الـ DISI المزمنة غالبًا تمشي في مسار SLAC wrist (Scapholunate Advanced Collapse)، ودي فكرة امتحانية شائعة جدًا: إصابة SL → DISI → تغيّرات تنكسية تدريجية. PMC[14][edit | edit source]

- لو الأشعة مش واضحة والشك عالي: - اعمل stress views (clenched fist). pubs.rsna.org[15] - وMRI / MR arthrogram لتقييم Scapholunate ligament خصوصًا في الإصابات الحادة/قبل الجراحة. pubs.rsna.org[16][edit | edit source]

إذا تحب، ابعتلي صورة السؤال/الأشعة اللي عندك (خصوصًا الـ lateral)، وأنا أمشي معك خطوة بخطوة: هل هي true lateral؟ وهل الزوايا داخلة في DISI ولا في perilunate/lunate dislocation (لأن دي برضه أسئلة شائعة وتتلخبط بسهولة).

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Radiographic Findings Consistent with DISI (Dorsal Intercalated Segment Instability)[edit | edit source]

1) What does DISI mean?[edit | edit source]

DISI is a pattern of carpal instability in which the lunate tilts dorsally (extends) on the lateral wrist radiograph. It occurs most commonly after Scapholunate ligament injury. Mechanism in brief:

  • Scaphoid loses its stabilizing link to the lunate → scaphoid collapses into flexion
  • Lunate, pulled by the triquetrum and capitate, rotates into extension (dorsiflexion)

2) Key Radiographic Findings (High-yield for exams)[edit | edit source]

A) Lateral view (the most important view)[edit | edit source]
The diagnosis of DISI is primarily made on a true lateral wrist radiograph.
  1. Dorsal tilt of the lunate
  • The lunate’s distal articular surface faces dorsally
  • Often described as the lunate “cup” opening posteriorly
  1. Increased Scapholunate Angle (SLA)
  • Normal: approximately 30°–60°
  • DISI: typically greater than 70°
  • This is the single most quoted numeric criterion in exams
  1. Increased Radiolunate Angle (RLA)
  • Normal: near neutral
  • DISI: greater than 10°, reflecting dorsal lunate tilt
  1. Increased Capitolunate (Lunocapitate) Angle
  • Normal: less than 30°
  • DISI: greater than 30°, indicating loss of collinearity between lunate and capitate
Classic exam phrase:
“DISI on lateral view is characterized by dorsal lunate tilt with an increased scapholunate angle, usually greater than 70 degrees.”
B) PA (posteroanterior) view – supportive findings[edit | edit source]

PA views help identify the cause, not the alignment itself.

  1. Scapholunate gap widening
  • Increased distance between scaphoid and lunate
  • Known as the “Terry Thomas sign”
  1. Scaphoid ring sign
  • Seen due to scaphoid flexion and rotary subluxation
  1. Dynamic instability
  • Early DISI may have a normal PA view
  • Widening appears only on stress views such as: - Clenched fist view - Ulnar deviation stress view

3) How to Measure (Practical Exam Technique)[edit | edit source]

On a true lateral radiograph:

  • Draw the long axis of the scaphoid
  • Draw the axis of the lunate → angle between them = Scapholunate angle
  • Draw the radius axis and lunate axis → Radiolunate angle
  • Draw the capitate axis and lunate axis → Capitolunate angle

If the lateral is not perfectly true, angles are unreliable (important pitfall).

4) Common Pitfalls (Frequently Tested)[edit | edit source]

  • False DISI can be diagnosed if the lateral view is rotated or not neutral
  • DISI vs VISI: - DISI → dorsal lunate tilt → Scapholunate ligament injury - VISI → volar lunate tilt → Lunotriquetral ligament injury
  • Early DISI can be dynamic, visible only with stress imaging

5) Why DISI Matters Clinically (Exam Progression)[edit | edit source]

Untreated or chronic DISI commonly progresses to:

  • SLAC wrist (Scapholunate Advanced Collapse)
  • Predictable pattern of degenerative arthritis

This progression is a very common MCQ concept.

6) If X-rays Are Inconclusive[edit | edit source]

Next diagnostic steps may include:

  • Stress radiographs
  • MRI or MR arthrogram to assess the Scapholunate ligament
  • Wrist arthroscopy (gold standard in equivocal cases)
One-line exam summary[edit | edit source]
DISI is diagnosed on a lateral wrist radiograph by dorsal tilting of the lunate with an increased scapholunate angle (usually greater than 70°), most commonly due to scapholunate ligament injury.

If you want, send me a specific wrist X-ray and I’ll walk you through it step-by-step exactly as in a viva or OSCE scenario.

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