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User: I have a paper that is a treatise on error and uncertainty analysis in temperature data series and climate model output…[edit | edit source]
I have a paper that is a treatise on error and uncertainty analysis in temperature data series and climate model outputs. Give me a prompt that will allow you to analyze this paper with the utmost expertise and critical skill
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Here’s a reusable “master prompt” you can paste in whenever you share the paper (or chunks of it) with me:
Prompt to analyze the paper
You are GPT-5.1 Thinking, acting as a highly skeptical, technically rigorous reviewer. I am going to give you a paper that is a treatise on error and uncertainty analysis in temperature data series and climate model outputs. I want you to dissect it with maximum expertise and critical skill.
Please do all of the following:
- Big-picture assessment - Summarize the paper’s main claims in your own words. - Identify what problem the authors say they are solving and what they argue is new about their approach. - State clearly what conclusions they draw about temperature records and climate models (e.g., reliability, trends, uncertainty bounds, implications for detection/attribution).
- Methodological deep dive (statistics & error analysis) - Explain the methods used for: - Error propagation - Uncertainty quantification - Treatment of measurement error vs structural/model error - Any time-series methods (e.g., autocorrelation, nonstationarity, homogenization, trend estimation). - Check whether the methods used are actually appropriate for: - The type of data (e.g., station temps, reanalyses, gridded data, model ensembles). - The temporal and spatial resolution. - If possible, translate any formulas they use into “standard” statistical language and compare to textbook techniques (e.g., Gauss error propagation, Bayesian inference, Monte Carlo, bootstrap, ARIMA, etc.). - Point out any places where: - They treat random errors as if they were systematic (or vice versa). - They ignore correlation in time/space when they absolutely should not. - They double-count uncertainties or ignore key sources of uncertainty.
- Mathematical and logical consistency - Step through key derivations and equations and check: - Are the dimensions/units consistent? - Are the algebraic manipulations valid? - Are the limiting cases (e.g., error → 0, N → ∞) sensible? - Identify any “magic steps” where they jump from one equation or claim to another without justification. - Call out any places where the logic is circular (e.g., using a conclusion as an assumption in an earlier step).
- Use of climate-science context - Compare their claims to mainstream climate science practice around: - Global mean temperature estimation - Observational uncertainty (e.g., station biases, homogenization, infilling, SST adjustments) - Climate model ensemble analysis and uncertainty (internal variability vs forcing vs structural uncertainty) - If they challenge consensus temperature datasets (e.g., NASA GISTEMP, HadCRUT, Berkeley Earth, NOAA): - Explain what they say is wrong. - Evaluate whether their criticism is fair, partially valid, or based on misunderstandings. - If they make strong claims (e.g., “we cannot know X,” “uncertainty is so large trends are meaningless,” or “models are invalid”), assess whether those claims follow from their own analysis.
- Detection of common errors and fallacies - Look for: - Misuse of statistical significance or confidence intervals. - Confusion between precision and bias. - Overstated error propagation that ignores how independent measurements combine. - Treating data processing steps (e.g., homogenization) as arbitrary rather than constrained by physics and metadata. - Cherry-picking of datasets, time periods, or spatial regions. - Explicitly flag any: - Strawman versions of standard climate methods. - Misinterpretations of basic statistical concepts (e.g., p-values, confidence vs credible intervals, regression assumptions). - Category errors (e.g., interpreting ensemble spread as measurement error).
- Comparison to relevant literature Where possible: - Relate their methods and conclusions to standard references on: - Measurement uncertainty and error propagation. - Time-series analysis of climate data. - Uncertainty in climate model ensembles. - Indicate whether their approach is: - Conventional and already widely used. - A known but niche method. - Seemingly novel but flawed. - A reasonable and well-executed extension.
- Strengths, weaknesses, and impact - List specific strengths (e.g., “clear separation of random vs systematic errors,” “good use of Monte Carlo,” “careful treatment of autocorrelation in trends”). - List specific weaknesses, including: - Any mathematical mistakes. - Any misinterpretations of climate practice. - Any overreach in conclusions relative to what the analysis actually supports. - Assess how much these weaknesses matter: do they slightly weaken the argument, or fundamentally undermine the key claims?
- Fair but skeptical bottom line - Provide a balanced but critical verdict: - How credible are the main conclusions? - What parts of the paper (if any) you would consider reliable or useful. - What parts are misleading, overstated, or simply wrong. - If appropriate, describe what an improved analysis would need to do differently to be convincing.
- Flag anything that looks suspicious or manipulative - Note any rhetorical techniques that might signal motivated reasoning or advocacy, such as: - Selectively citing only contrarian sources or ignoring large relevant literatures. - Repeatedly moving goalposts for what counts as “sufficient certainty.” - Dramatic claims not backed by proportional technical evidence.
When you respond, please:
- Use clear headings tied to the numbered sections above.
- Quote or paraphrase specific parts of the paper (with section/figure/equation references) when you criticize or praise.
- Be precise but not needlessly wordy: prioritize clarity and technical correctness over length.
If some information is missing (e.g., figures, equations, or references), make the best possible evaluation from what I’ve provided, but explicitly say what you can’t assess and why.
You can paste that as-is, then follow it with the text of the paper (or start with one or two sections at a time if it’s huge). If you’d like, I can also help you adapt this into a shorter “lite” version for quick passes.
User: Prompt to analyze the paper[edit | edit source]
Prompt to analyze the paper You are GPT-5.1 Thinking, acting as a highly skeptical, technically rigorous reviewer. I am going to give you a paper that is a treatise on error and uncertainty analysis in temperature data series and climate model outputs. I want you to dissect it with maximum expertise and critical skill. Please do all of the following: Big-picture assessment Summarize the paper’s main claims in your own words. Identify what problem the authors say they are solving and what they argue is new about their approach. State clearly what conclusions they draw about temperature records and climate models (e.g., reliability, trends, uncertainty bounds, implications for detection/attribution). Methodological deep dive (statistics & error analysis) Explain the methods used for: Error propagation Uncertainty quantification Treatment of measurement error vs structural/model error Any time-series methods (e.g., autocorrelation, nonstationarity, homogenization, trend estimation). Check whether the methods used are actually appropriate for: The type of data (e.g., station temps, reanalyses, gridded data, model ensembles). The temporal and spatial resolution. If possible, translate any formulas they use into “standard” statistical language and compare to textbook techniques (e.g., Gauss error propagation, Bayesian inference, Monte Carlo, bootstrap, ARIMA, etc.). Point out any places where: They treat random errors as if they were systematic (or vice versa). They ignore correlation in time/space when they absolutely should not. They double-count uncertainties or ignore key sources of uncertainty. Mathematical and logical consistency Step through key derivations and equations and check: Are the dimensions/units consistent? Are the algebraic manipulations valid? Are the limiting cases (e.g., error → 0, N → ∞) sensible? Identify any “magic steps” where they jump from one equation or claim to another without justification. Call out any places where the logic is circular (e.g., using a conclusion as an assumption in an earlier step). Use of climate-science context Compare their claims to mainstream climate science practice around: Global mean temperature estimation Observational uncertainty (e.g., station biases, homogenization, infilling, SST adjustments) Climate model ensemble analysis and uncertainty (internal variability vs forcing vs structural uncertainty) If they challenge consensus temperature datasets (e.g., NASA GISTEMP, HadCRUT, Berkeley Earth, NOAA): Explain what they say is wrong. Evaluate whether their criticism is fair, partially valid, or based on misunderstandings. If they make strong claims (e.g., “we cannot know X,” “uncertainty is so large trends are meaningless,” or “models are invalid”), assess whether those claims follow from their own analysis. Detection of common errors and fallacies Look for: Misuse of statistical significance or confidence intervals. Confusion between precision and bias. Overstated error propagation that ignores how independent measurements combine. Treating data processing steps (e.g., homogenization) as arbitrary rather than constrained by physics and metadata. Cherry-picking of datasets, time periods, or spatial regions. Explicitly flag any: Strawman versions of standard climate methods. Misinterpretations of basic statistical concepts (e.g., p-values, confidence vs credible intervals, regression assumptions). Category errors (e.g., interpreting ensemble spread as measurement error). Comparison to relevant literature Where possible: Relate their methods and conclusions to standard references on: Measurement uncertainty and error propagation. Time-series analysis of climate data. Uncertainty in climate model ensembles. Indicate whether their approach is: Conventional and already widely used. A known but niche method. Seemingly novel but flawed. A reasonable and well-executed extension. Strengths, weaknesses, and impact List specific strengths (e.g., “clear separation of random vs systematic errors,” “good use of Monte Carlo,” “careful treatment of autocorrelation in trends”). List specific weaknesses, including: Any mathematical mistakes. Any misinterpretations of climate practice. Any overreach in conclusions relative to what the analysis actually supports. Assess how much these weaknesses matter: do they slightly weaken the argument, or fundamentally undermine the key claims? Fair but skeptical bottom line Provide a balanced but critical verdict: How credible are the main conclusions? What parts of the paper (if any) you would consider reliable or useful. What parts are misleading, overstated, or simply wrong. If appropriate, describe what an improved analysis would need to do differently to be convincing. Flag anything that looks suspicious or manipulative Note any rhetorical techniques that might signal motivated reasoning or advocacy, such as: Selectively citing only contrarian sources or ignoring large relevant literatures. Repeatedly moving goalposts for what counts as “sufficient certainty.” Dramatic claims not backed by proportional technical evidence. When you respond, please: Use clear headings tied to the numbered sections above. Quote or paraphrase specific parts of the paper (with section/figure/equation references) when you criticize or praise. Be precise but not needlessly wordy: prioritize clarity and technical correctness over length. If some information is missing (e.g., figures, equations, or references), make the best possible evaluation from what I’ve provided, but explicitly say what you can’t assess and why.
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1. Big-picture assessment[edit | edit source]
Main claims (in my own words)[edit | edit source]
The paper argues that:
- GCM global-mean temperature projections are basically linear extrapolations of greenhouse-gas (GHG) forcing. This is represented by an emulation equation (Eq. 1) relating projected ΔT to fractional change in “water-vapor-enhanced” GHG forcing. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
- Cloud simulations in CMIP5 models have a large systematic error in global total cloud fraction (TCF), about ±12.1% RMS. This is mapped to an error of ±4 W/m² in long-wave cloud forcing (LWCF). Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
- That ±4 W/m² per year of “thermal flux uncertainty” is ~114× larger than the annual increase in GHG forcing (~0.035 W/m²/yr). Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
- Treating GCM projections as linear in forcing and then linearly propagating that ±4 W/m² error every year leads to an uncertainty of about ±15°C by the end of a century-scale projection. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
- Therefore, no anthropogenic warming signal can be detected in climate observations, and all past and present GCM air-temperature projections are claimed to be physically unreliable. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
What problem he says he is solving / novelty[edit | edit source]
Frank claims:
- Climate projections usually quantify “uncertainty” as model spread or ensemble variability (precision), but do not propagate physical calibration errors through the time-stepping of the model. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
- He proposes to “rectify” this by: 1. Showing that GCMs are effectively linear in forcing (via Eq. 1 emulations). Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re… 2. Using observed cloud-simulation errors as a calibration metric. 3. Applying standard error-propagation formulas through time to get “physically valid” error bars on projections. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
Bottom-line conclusions about temperature records & models[edit | edit source]
- Projected global surface air temperature (GASAT) trajectories from SRES, RCP, and early GISS scenarios are claimed to be “fully embedded” within enormous uncertainty envelopes and thus non-unique and untestable (e.g., Figure 6B, Figure 7B, Figure 8B). Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
- Frank concludes that neither historical nor future anthropogenic temperature signals can be discerned from observations, because model uncertainty overwhelms any GHG forcing effect. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
- He also implies that standard claims about model “skill” (e.g., for Hansen’s 1988 scenarios) are meaningless once his propagated error is considered. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
2. Methodological deep dive (statistics & error analysis)[edit | edit source]
2.1 Error propagation framework[edit | edit source]
Frank uses textbook propagation of uncertainty:
- Generic single-step formula (his Eq. 3) and multistep propagation (Eq. 4) are standard: variance of a function of uncertain variables, with root-sum-square (RSS) behavior and covariance terms. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
- For a sum of terms, he emphasises that uncertainty in the sum is RSS of individual uncertainties. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
- He then treats each year’s tropospheric flux error as ±u₁, ±u₂, … and applies σTn=∑i=1nui2\sigma_{T_n} = \sqrt{\sum_{i=1}^n u_i^2}σTn=i=1∑nui2 (his Eq. 6). Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
This is formally correct for independent, zero-mean random errors in a linear sum. The critical questions are:
- Is ±4 W/m² the right error metric to use?
- Is it independent from year to year?
- Is it additive in the way he assumes?
All three are highly problematic.
2.2 How he builds the ±4 W/m² LWCF “calibration error”[edit | edit source]
He pulls three main pieces together:
- TCF error from Jiang et al. 2012 (and related work) - CMIP5 models have ~±12.1% RMS error in global annual mean total cloud fraction, derived from 25-year means (1980–2004) compared to satellite datasets (MODIS, ISCCP2). Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re… - Error patterns across models are strongly lag-1 autocorrelated and pair-wise correlated, so he argues they must be systematic theory errors, not random noise. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
- Conversion from cloud fraction error to LWCF error - Using Lauer & Hamilton (2013), he states CMIP5 models have ~±4 W/m² RMSE in long-wave cloud forcing (LWCF). Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re… - This is consistent with their findings that model LWCF biases vs satellite climatologies are a few W/m² for multi-year means. American Meteorological Society Journals[2]
- Treating that ±4 W/m² as “annual average LWCF thermal flux calibration error” per year - He labels this as ±4 W/m² yr⁻¹, and calls it a “lower limit of resolution” for atmospheric forcing in CMIP5 models. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re… - He then compares this per-year flux “uncertainty” to the trend in GHG forcing (~0.035 W/m² per year) and notes the factor ~114 difference. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
Where this goes off the rails:
- The ±4 W/m² in Lauer & Hamilton is a climatological bias/RMSE of mean cloud radiative effect, not a year-to-year random error that gets re-drawn each year. It’s a systematic model bias in the multi-year mean spatial field. American Meteorological Society Journals[3]
- Frank effectively re-interprets that bias as a per-time-step random uncertainty that accumulates like a random walk. That’s not what Jiang/Lauer’s diagnostics represent, and it is not how climate models treat their fluxes internally.
2.3 Treatment of measurement vs structural/model error[edit | edit source]
Frank is right that:
- Calibration vs observations constrains model structural error, analogous to instrument calibration. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
But then he:
- Treats structural error as if it were a per-step additive uncertainty on the prognostic variable (tropospheric energy flux), and
- Propagates it forward as if each year added a new independent realization of that error.
If the LWCF error is truly systematic (his own lag-1 and pair-wise correlation analysis argues that strongly), then:
- It behaves like a bias in the mean flux or spatial pattern, not as a zero-mean random variable with fresh draws each year.
- A bias affects the level of simulated temperature (and probably feedback strength), but: - It does not blow up as √N in time. - Much of that bias cancels when we take anomalies relative to a baseline period, which is exactly what is done in projections and in observational datasets.
He actually undercuts himself: he stresses that the TCF error is deterministic and systematic (R≥0.95, common patterns across models; Table 1, Figure 4). Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
That is not the error structure for which Eq. 6 is appropriate.
2.4 Time-series aspects[edit | edit source]
Frank claims:
- GCM global-mean temperature projections follow from Eq. 1: ΔTt=fCO2⋅33 K⋅F0+∑iΔFiF0+a,\Delta T_t = f_{\mathrm{CO2}} \cdot 33\,\text{K} \cdot \frac{F_0 + \sum_i \Delta F_i}{F_0} + a,ΔTt=fCO2⋅33K⋅F0F0+∑iΔFi+a, with f_CO2 and a fitted per model. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
- He shows many examples where this emulation tracks GCM projections closely for historical and SRES/RCP runs (Figures 1–3, S4-1–S4-7). Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
Observations:
- It is not surprising that a simple energy-balance-like model and GCM ensemble means show near-linear relation between global mean ΔT and effective radiative forcing – that’s standard and used all over the literature (e.g., Gregory plots, transient climate response). IPCC[4]
- However, this does not mean the GCM is literally a one-equation linear model. The GCM’s complexity (spatial structure, internal variability, nonlinear feedbacks, ocean heat uptake) is simply being summarized in the global mean response to forcing. Frank’s emulation is a fit, not a mechanistic equivalence.
Time-series methods:
- He doesn’t really use formal time-series modeling (no explicit AR(1) treatment of internal variability in temperatures, no autocorrelation correction to trend uncertainty).
- He focuses instead on cloud-fraction error statistics (including lag-1 structure in space, not time) and then treats the cloud forcing error as a per-year flux uncertainty in his emulation.
This is a category mismatch: temporal propagation of uncertainty is being based on a spatial climatological bias.
2.5 Where error types are conflated or double-counted[edit | edit source]
Some key conflations:
- Systematic vs random error - He correctly notes cloud errors are systematic. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re… - Then uses random-error propagation formulas (RSS over N steps) as if the ±4 W/m² were independent draws each year. This is inconsistent with his own diagnosis.
- Calibration RMSE vs “resolution limit” - A ±4 W/m² climatological LWCF RMSE does not mean the model “cannot resolve” smaller perturbations in forcing; it means its long-term cloud radiative effect has that level of bias/noise relative to a particular satellite product. In practice, differences between scenarios and temporal changes can be simulated with much higher precision than the bias vs observations.
- Spatial field error vs global-mean flux uncertainty - Lauer & Hamilton’s RMSE is over grid-point fields. Frank treats it as a global scalar flux uncertainty that must apply directly to the global-mean energy budget each year. That’s a strong and unjustified simplification.
3. Mathematical and logical consistency[edit | edit source]
3.1 Dimensions and units[edit | edit source]
A few issues stand out:
- He writes the CMIP5 LWCF error as “±4 Wm⁻² year⁻¹ model⁻¹” and compares it to an annual GHG forcing increment of ~0.035 Wm⁻² yr⁻¹. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re… - In Lauer & Hamilton, LWCF RMSE is in W/m², not W/m² per year. It’s a bias/variance in mean cloud radiative effect. American Meteorological Society Journals[5] - Frank effectively inserts “per year” to match the GHG forcing trend, but that’s mixing a level error with a time derivative.
- He then turns this into a “lower limit of model resolution”: anything smaller than ±4 W/m² per year is claimed to be unresolved. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re… - That’s not how resolution works in time-stepping models constrained by energy conservation; a bias in mean LWCF does not imply a ±4 W/m² white-noise floor on annual changes.
3.2 Algebraic steps & limiting behavior[edit | edit source]
- Given u ≈ constant per year, Eq. (6) makes uncertainty grow as σ_T ∝ √N. For N ≈ 100 years and u ≈ O(0.5°C), you get ±5°C–10+°C by year 2100, which is what he reports (±15°C). Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
- If his interpretation were physically correct, GCM trajectories of global mean temperature would look like huge random walks with rapidly diverging spread, even for identical forcing scenarios. - In reality, ensembles show bounded spreads and robust means under identical forcings; global SAT does not execute an unbounded random walk in GCMs. IPCC[6] - So his uncertainty propagation predicts a behavior that actual GCMs demonstrably do not exhibit, which is a strong sign that the error model is mis-specified.
Limiting cases:
- Take the limit where the LWCF bias is constant in time: then, under common practice of working with temperature anomalies, most of that bias cancels between baseline and projection period. The residual effect is on climate sensitivity, not on a random walk of global mean T. Frank explicitly chooses not to treat it that way.
3.3 “Magic steps” and circular logic[edit | edit source]
Some semi-magical steps:
- From cloud-fraction RMSE to annual independent flux errors. The jump from a 25-year climatological RMS bias in cloud fields Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re… to “annual average ±4 Wm⁻² year⁻¹ uncertainty injected at every simulation step” is asserted more than derived.
- From “models have large structural cloud errors” to “therefore no anthropogenic signal can be evidenced.” That conclusion assumes his particular error-propagation model is the correct representation of how these structural errors affect trend detection, which is precisely the point in dispute.
There is also some implicit circularity:
- He assumes the cloud-error-induced uncertainty is so large that model projections are meaningless, then uses that conclusion to dismiss all detection & attribution work that could have provided empirical checks on his premise.
4. Use of climate-science context[edit | edit source]
4.1 Comparison with mainstream practice[edit | edit source]
Mainstream climate science:
- Recognizes clouds and cloud feedbacks as among the largest sources of model uncertainty, but does not conclude that no anthropogenic signal is detectable. IPCC[7]
- Treats uncertainty via: - multi-model and perturbed-physics ensembles, - internal variability sampling (multiple initial-condition runs), - scenario uncertainty, and - observational and forcing uncertainties. IPCC[8]
- Uses optimal fingerprinting and other statistical detection methods to show that anthropogenic forcing is very likely the dominant cause of observed warming since mid-20th century. IPCC[9]
Frank:
- Asserts that IPCC evaluations do not propagate physical errors and use only precision measures. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re… - This is overstated. AR5 explicitly discusses multiple uncertainty sources (internal variability, model structural differences, forcing uncertainty) and how ensemble spread relates to them. IPCC[10] - It’s true that IPCC doesn’t run a literal Taylor-Kuyatt “propagate lab-instrument errors through a model” exercise, but GCMs are not simple algebraic devices; uncertainty quantification in complex nonlinear PDE systems is necessarily different.
- Uses cloud error diagnostics from Jiang et al. and Lauer & Hamilton, but reinterprets them in a way those authors never suggest, and that is inconsistent with follow-up work which views them as biases to be reduced and understood, not as per-year random forcing noise. AGU Publications[11]
4.2 Challenges to consensus datasets / models[edit | edit source]
The paper doesn’t attack specific global-temperature datasets (HadCRUT, GISTEMP, Berkeley Earth); it attacks the interpretation of model comparisons with those datasets. It argues:
- Model hindcasts and projections are so uncertain that any apparent agreement with observed trends is coincidental. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
But mainstream:
- Uses multiple independent lines of evidence (energy balance constraints, paleoclimate, emergent constraints) to constrain climate sensitivity and anthropogenic contribution, including but not limited to GCM hindcasts. IPCC[12]
- Detection & attribution results are robust across different models and observational datasets; removing or altering cloud feedback details does change best-estimate sensitivity but does not erase the anthropogenic signal completely.
Frank’s conclusion that “an anthropogenic air temperature signal cannot have been, nor presently can be, evidenced in climate observables” Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
directly contradicts a large detection-and-attribution literature and is not supported by his narrow cloud-error analysis.
5. Detection of common errors and fallacies[edit | edit source]
5.1 Misuse of error propagation / confidence intervals[edit | edit source]
- Random-walk propagation of a structural bias: Systematic LWCF bias is treated as a per-year independent uncertainty. That’s akin to saying: “My thermometer is off by ±1°C, therefore after 100 measurements my uncertainty in the final average is ±10°C,” which is not how systematic error works.
- Ignoring constraints from model behavior: If ±15°C uncertainty were real, ensembles under fixed forcing would quickly diverge to wildly different climates. They don’t.
Even Roy Spencer (who is generally skeptical of mainstream climate sensitivity estimates) published a detailed critique arguing Frank’s treatment of cloud-error propagation is not valid and leads to absurd consequences. drroyspencer.com[13]
5.2 Confusion between precision and bias[edit | edit source]
Frank is correct that:
- Model spread around an ensemble mean is a measure of precision, not necessarily accuracy. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
But:
- He then effectively treats calibration RMSE as a “resolution limit”, and asserts that any signal smaller than that must be unresolvable. - In reality, a model can have a constant bias in cloud radiative effect and still simulate changes over time with useful precision.
5.3 Overstated error propagation vs independent measurements[edit | edit source]
The claim that a ±4 W/m² LWCF error “defeats any measure of GCM statistical merit” and “vitiates both the predictive validity” of all projections Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
is not consistent with:
- The fact that net TOA energy imbalance from models is constrained to order ~0.5–1 W/m² over the historical period (comparable to observed ocean heat uptake). IPCC[14]
- The observation that model ensembles reproduce many large-scale features of observed warming patterns, not just global means.
5.4 Potential strawmen / category errors[edit | edit source]
- Treating the lack of Taylor-Kuyatt-style error propagation in GCM evaluations as if no serious uncertainty analysis is done at all, which is not true. IPCC[15]
- Interpreting ensemble spread only as precision, ignoring that spread is widely discussed as a proxy for model structural uncertainty in IPCC reports (with caveats). IPCC[16]
6. Comparison to relevant literature[edit | edit source]
- Error propagation using RSS is standard for laboratory measurements and simple models. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
- In climate modelling, formal uncertainty quantification uses: - perturbed-physics ensembles, - multimodel ensembles, - emulators / surrogate models, - Bayesian hierarchical frameworks, etc. IPCC[17]
Relative to that landscape:
- Frank’s approach (fit a simple linear emulation → insert a large calibration error → propagate as random walk) is novel but flawed: - Novel in the sense that few people try to map a single climatological RMSE into a time-growing random uncertainty. - Flawed because it misinterprets the nature of the underlying error metric and ignores dynamical and energetic constraints of the actual models.
Critiques from other climate scientists (including those skeptical of high climate sensitivity) have pointed out these issues, particularly the misuse of LWCF RMSE and the implication that models should behave like an unconstrained random walk if his error model were correct. drroyspencer.com[18]
7. Strengths, weaknesses, and impact[edit | edit source]
7.1 Specific strengths[edit | edit source]
- Clear emphasis on the difference between precision and accuracy. He is right that inter-model spread alone is not a full measure of reliability. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
- Use of published cloud-error diagnostics to highlight that GCMs still struggle with clouds and that these errors are structurally correlated across models (Figure 4, Table 1). Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
- Demonstration that a simple forcing-based emulator can track GCM global-mean temperature projections. This reinforces the widely recognized approximate linearity between ΔT and cumulative forcing.
7.2 Specific weaknesses[edit | edit source]
- Misinterpretation of LWCF RMSE - Treating a 20-year climatological RMSE (±4 W/m²) as an annual, independent calibration uncertainty is not justified by the source literature and misstates what that diagnostic means.
- Inconsistent treatment of systematic error - He correctly identifies cloud errors as systematic and deterministic, but then propagates them as if they were independent random errors in time (RSS over years).
- Dimensional confusion and resolution claims - Adding “per year” to a W/m² bias to compare to GHG forcing trends is dimensionally and conceptually muddled.
- Neglect of anomaly-based analysis - Temperature projections and observations are typically analyzed as anomalies, which cancels much of any constant cloud-related flux bias between baseline and projection period.
- Extreme conclusions not supported by the analysis - The claim that no anthropogenic signal can be evidenced contradicts a large body of detection-and-attribution work and is not rigorously derived from a single cloud-error metric.
7.3 How serious are these weaknesses?[edit | edit source]
They are foundational, not cosmetic:
- If you reject his key reinterpretation of LWCF RMSE and its propagation, the entire chain leading to ±15°C uncertainty collapses.
- The remaining, more modest point – “models have significant cloud biases and we should be cautious about their projections” – is already widely accepted in the mainstream literature, but in a much more quantitative and nuanced way.
So these weaknesses fundamentally undermine the central claims of the paper.
8. Fair but skeptical bottom line[edit | edit source]
How credible are the main conclusions?[edit | edit source]
- Not credible in the strong form claimed: - The assertion of ±15°C uncertainty in centennial projections, - The claim that no anthropogenic warming signal can be extracted from observables, - The implied uselessness of all existing GCM projections.
These depend on a chain of assumptions about error structure and propagation that is inconsistent with the underlying diagnostics, with basic properties of GCMs, and with independent observational constraints.
What parts are still useful?[edit | edit source]
- The reminder that calibration against observations and explicit treatment of model structural error matter is valuable.
- The detailed compilation of CMIP5 TCF error statistics (though he leans on Jiang et al. and Lauer & Hamilton for the heavy lifting) usefully highlights persistent cloud problems.
- The emulation exercise, taken modestly, is another example of how simple forcing-based models can approximate global-mean GCM responses.
What parts are misleading or wrong?[edit | edit source]
- The mapping of TCF/LWCF RMSE into a per-year independent uncertainty in tropospheric thermal flux is misleading.
- The subsequent √N growth of “error bars” to ±15°C is mathematically correct given his premise, but the premise is wrong for this kind of systematic model error.
- The sweeping conclusion that no anthropogenic signal is evidencable is strongly at odds with detection-and-attribution literature and not supported by his analysis.
What would an improved analysis need?[edit | edit source]
A more convincing study of model reliability and cloud-related uncertainty would:
- Distinguish clearly between biases in climatological means and uncertainty in trends / responses.
- Use energy-balance constraints (e.g., TOA flux, ocean heat uptake) to bound allowable flux errors instead of letting them random-walk arbitrarily.
- Employ more realistic stochastic error models: - e.g., treat cloud errors as biases plus temporally correlated noise, not as independent annual draws.
- Confront its conclusions with actual behavior of GCM ensembles and observations: - If your error model implies random-walk divergence, but the models and observations do not show it, the error model must be revised.
9. Rhetorical signals and potential motivated reasoning[edit | edit source]
A few things to flag:
- Dramatic contrast between modest inputs and extreme outputs – modest cloud biases are transformed into ±15°C uncertainty and “no possible evidence” of anthropogenic warming, without intermediate sanity checks.
- Selective focus on one type of model diagnostic (clouds) and one propagation method, while ignoring: - other sources of constraint (TOA flux, ocean heat content), - well-developed detection-and-attribution methods, - the enormous literature on climate model performance and uncertainty.
- Repeated framing of standard practice as essentially devoid of proper uncertainty analysis, even though IPCC and many modelling papers devote entire sections to uncertainty sources and limitations. IPCC[19]
Overall, the paper raises a legitimate theme (“be honest about structured uncertainty”), but its central quantitative claims rely on an internally inconsistent and physically implausible error model. The headline conclusion that anthropogenic warming cannot be detected is not supported by the broader body of evidence. Propagation_of_Error_and_the_Re…
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