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=== User: Dude in Islam if someone left it .. ===
Dude in Islam if someone left it .. some people say that he gets killed .. although I read in Quran in 2 places that we don't kill anyone .. first when it was explained that the Jews enter Islam in the morning and leave at night to show it is not from Allah and it is not Ibrahimic religion and there was no command to kill them 
The other in surrat Al 3'ashia .. ela man tawala wa kafar .. faa yo3azbho Allah al3azab al2akbar .. 

So why do some scholars say things against what the Quran say ?

=== Assistant: You’re asking a very important question that Muslims have been debating for centuries — and your observation is correct… ===
You’re asking a very important question that Muslims have been debating for centuries — and your observation is correct: the Qur’an never commands killing someone simply for leaving Islam.

Let’s break it down clearly, without politics or emotional framing.

=== There are multiple verses where people enter Islam then leave it, and no punishment is prescribed by humans. ===

===== Surah Āl-ʿImrān 3:72 =====
They did this as a tactic to confuse Muslims and pretend Islam is false.

No punishment was commanded.

===== : =====

Translation:

: 

Again: Allah, not humans.

===== There are at least 4 verses describing people leaving Islam — none mention a worldly punishment: =====
* 2:217
* 4:137 (They believe → disbelieve → believe → disbelieve → increase in disbelief)
* 5:54
* 88:23–24

If apostasy itself required death, these verses would not make sense, because you cannot believe–disbelieve multiple times if you’d have been killed the first time.

=== This comes from classical fiqh, not from the Qur’an. ===

Their reasoning is based on:

===== Found in Bukhari. =====

But this hadith was understood by many scholars as:

===== But treason during a state of war. =====

Historically, “changing religion” was equivalent to:

✔ joining the enemy
✔ leaking military secrets
✔ inciting rebellion
✔ committing political betrayal

Not simply changing private beliefs.

===== Nearly all cases of people killed for apostasy in early Islam were: =====
* hostile competitors
* spies
* traitors
* people who attacked Muslims
* people who defected to enemy armies

None were ordinary individuals who quietly left religion.

=== Many respected scholars explicitly say the Qur’an does not legislate death for mere apostasy: ===
* Sheikh Rashid Rida
* Sheikh Mahmoud Shaltout (Al-Azhar)
* Dr. Yusuf al-Qaradawi (distinguishes apostasy vs. treason)
* Javed Ahmad Ghamidi
* Muhammad Abduh
* Ibn Ashur
* Abdullahi an-Na'im
* Many contemporary Azhar scholars

Their reasoning:

===== If the Qur’an does not prescribe a worldly punishment for leaving faith, no jurist can add one. =====

===== The Qur’an repeatedly says: =====

: 

===== Only for political treason. =====

=== Because: ===

===== Islamic states were at war; leaving Islam meant joining the enemy. =====

===== So apostasy = betrayal. =====

===== Instead of contextual. =====

=== Not intentionally. ===

But:
* Classical fiqh was built in a political context very different from modern times.
* Scholars relied heavily on some hadiths without filtering them through Qur’an first.
* Some consider state security part of the issue.

But your observation is correct:

===== It always says: =====
➡ Allah will judge them in the afterlife.
➡ People should not force belief.

=== In Islam: ===

===== The Qur’an dealt with belief. =====
Hadith dealt with treason during war.

Some jurists mixed them.
Modern scholars separate them.

And the Qur’an is the final authority.

If you want, I can give you:

✔ The exact verses about apostasy
✔ What every scholar said (classical vs. modern)
✔ The history of each case where someone was executed
✔ How to reconcile between Qur’an and hadith

Just tell me.

=== User: Okay great I want all the Quran I told u and the ones I didn't and the hadeeth and it's sanad in Arabic plz ===
Okay great I want all the Quran I told u and the ones I didn't and the hadeeth and it's sanad in Arabic plz

=== Assistant: Sure — here is everything in one place, in Arabic, clearly organized: ===
Sure — here is everything in one place, in Arabic, clearly organized:

=== # ===

ملاحظة مهمّة:
كل هذه الآيات تتحدث عن الارتداد عن الدين ولا يوجد أي أمر بقتل المرتد، بل يُترك أمره لله.

==== ﴿وَقَالَت طَّائِفَةٌ مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ آمِنُوا بِالَّذِي أُنزِلَ عَلَى الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَجْهَ النَّهَارِ وَاكْفُرُوا آخِرَهُ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَرْجِعُونَ﴾ ====

==== ﴿إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بَعْدَ إِيمَانِهِمْ ثُمَّ ازْدَادُوا كُفْرًا لَّن تُقْبَلَ تَوْبَتُهُمْ وَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الضَّالُّونَ﴾ ====

==== ﴿وَمَن يَرْتَدِدْ مِنكُمْ عَن دِينِهِ فَيَمُتْ وَهُوَ كَافِرٌ فَأُولَٰئِكَ حَبِطَتْ أَعْمَالُهُمْ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ﴾ ====

لاحظ: العقوبة مرتبطة بالموت على الكفر، وليس بقتل المرتد.

==== ﴿إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا ثُمَّ كَفَرُوا ثُمَّ آمَنُوا ثُمَّ كَفَرُوا ثُمَّ ازْدَادُوا كُفْرًا لَّمْ يَكُنِ اللَّهُ لِيَغْفِرَ لَهُمْ﴾ ====

لو كان المرتد يُقتل من أول مرة، لمَا أمكنه أن “يؤمن ثم يكفر ثم يؤمن ثم يكفر”.

==== ﴿يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مَن يَرْتَدَّ مِنكُمْ عَن دِينِهِ فَسَوْفَ يَأْتِي اللَّهُ بِقَوْمٍ يُحِبُّهُمْ وَيُحِبُّونَهُ﴾ ====

لا عقوبة دنيوية.

==== ﴿يَحْلِفُونَ بِاللَّهِ مَا قَالُوا وَلَقَدْ قَالُوا كَلِمَةَ الْكُفْرِ وَكَفَرُوا بَعْدَ إِسْلَامِهِمْ﴾ ====

لم يُؤمر النبي بقتلهم.

==== ﴿إِنَّ الَّذِينَ ارْتَدُّوا عَلَىٰ أَدْبَارِهِم مِّن بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُمُ الْهُدَى﴾ ====

لا ذكر لعقوبة دنيوية.

==== ﴿إِلَّا مَن تَوَلَّىٰ وَكَفَرَ * فَيُعَذِّبُهُ اللَّهُ الْعَذَابَ الْأَكْبَرَ﴾ ====

الله يعذّبه — وليس البشر.

=== # ===

موجود في صحيح البخاري رقم 3017 و 6922

===== عَنْ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمَا، أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ ﷺ قَالَ: =====

«مَنْ بَدَّلَ دِينَهُ فَاقْتُلُوهُ»

=== ### ===

حدّثنا أبو النعمان محمد بن الفضل السدوسي
حدّثنا حمّاد بن زيد
عن أيوب السختياني
عن عكرمة
عن ابن عباس
عن النبي ﷺ

السلسلة كاملة:
أبو النعمان → حماد بن زيد → أيوب → عكرمة → ابن عباس → النبي ﷺ

===== حدّثنا عليّ بن عبد الله =====
حدّثنا سفيان بن عيينة
عن أيوب
عن عكرمة
عن ابن عبّاس
قال: قال رسول الله ﷺ:
«مَنْ بَدَّلَ دِينَهُ فَاقْتُلُوهُ»

السلسلة:
علي بن عبد الله → ابن عيينة → أيوب → عكرمة → ابن عباس → الرسول ﷺ

=== # ===

==== صحيح البخاري (6878) ====

النص:
«لا يحل دم امرئٍ مسلمٍ إلا بإحدى ثلاث:
الثيّب الزاني،
والنفس بالنفس،
والتارك لدينه المفارق للجماعة»

===== “التارك لدينه المفارق للجماعة” = عند جمهور العلماء ليست الردة في الإيمان =====
بل الخروج على الدولة / الجماعة المسلحة (البغاة).

==== لم يُقتل لأنه ارتد. ====
بل لأنه:
* أساء إلى النبي بشعر
* قتل مسلمًا
* خان الدولة
* تحالف مع قريش ضد المسلمين

أي خيانة سياسية وليست ارتدادًا فكريًا.

=== # ===

===== كلها تتحدث عن الارتداد بدون عقوبة دنيوية. =====

===== “من بدّل دينه فاقتلوه” =====
وتفسيره مختلف:
* بعض العلماء يرونه حكمًا عامًا
* وكثير من علماء العصر يرونه متعلقًا بـ الخيانة/الحرب وليس مجرد الاعتقاد

===== كلها لها سياقات سياسية أو جنائية، ليست عن مجرد تغيير الدين. =====

=== 📌 تفسير كل آية ===
📌 رأي كل مذهب فقهي (الحنفي / المالكي / الشافعي / الحنبلي)
📌 رأي كبار العلماء المعاصرين
📌 تحليل لغوي لعبارة «بدّل دينه»
📌 كل حالات القتل التاريخية ومن هو الذي كان فعلاً مرتدًا ومن كان سياسيًا

أخبرني، وأجهّز لك كل شيء بالتفصيل.

=== User: The hadeeth 6922 and 6878 .. ===
The hadeeth 6922 and 6878 .. how many people heard it from the profit and how many did the person hear it transfer it too ..

And who are they .. if it is not 27ady

=== Assistant: Great — let’s break it down chain by chain the exact way a muḥaddith would analyze it. ===
Great — let’s break it down chain by chain the exact way a muḥaddith would analyze it.
You are basically asking:
# How many companions heard these ahadith from the Prophet ﷺ?
# How many people transmitted it from them?
# Is it ahad (آحاد) or mutawatir?

Below is everything clearly organized.

=== # ===

===== ✔ صحابي واحد فقط: =====
عبد الله بن عباس رضي الله عنه

=> إذن الحديث آحاد (ليس متواترًا).

===== ✔ راوٍ واحد فقط اشتهر به: =====
عِكْرِمَة (مولى ابن عباس)

===== ✔ راوي واحد في سند البخاري: =====
أيوب السَّختياني

===== ✔ راويان فقط ظهرا في البخاري: =====
* حمّاد بن زيد (طريق رقم 3017)
* سفيان بن عيينة (طريق رقم 6922)

===== |     |     |     | =====
| --- | --- | --- |
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|     |     |     |
|     |     |     |
|     |     |     |

===== هذا الحديث: =====

✔ آحاد
❌ ليس متواترًا
❌ ليس مشهورًا (لا يرويه ثلاثة في كل طبقة)
❌ ليس عزيزًا (لا يرويه اثنان عن صحابي)

هو أكثر نوع ضعيف في الانتشار العلمي (خارج الصحة السندية)
لكنه صحيح الإسناد عند البخاري
لكن من حيث الانتشار = آحاد بامتياز.

=== # ===

الآن هذا الحديث أقوى انتشارًا، لكن دعنا نحلله بنفس النظام.

===== هذا الحديث جاء بصيغ مختلفة، أشهرها عن: =====
# عبد الله بن مسعود
# عائشة
# عثمان بن عفان (في بعض الطرق)
# أبي جحيفة (نص قريب منه)
# عمر بن الخطاب (نص قريب أيضًا)

===== في سند البخاري (6878): =====
✔ صحابي واحد فقط:
ابن مسعود

لكن بطُرق أخرى من صحابة آخرين.

===== ❌ ليس متواترًا. =====
✔ لكنه مشهور (بسبب تعدد الصحابة في الأحاديث القريبة منه)

===== النبي ﷺ → ابن مسعود → عامر الشعبي → إبراهيم النخعي → علقمة → الأسود → … إلخ =====
(البخاري اختصر كثيرًا)

سنقدم فقط المختصر العلمي:

|     |     |
| --- | --- |
|     |     |
|     |     |
|     |     |
|     |     |

===== حديث البخاري (6878): =====

✔ آحاد في أصل سنده
✔ لكنه مُستند إلى روايات متعددة المعنى عن صحابة آخرين
❌ لكنه ليس متواترًا
❌ ولا يصل إلى الحد الذي لا يمكن تواطؤ الرواة فيه

=== # ===

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| --- | --- | --- | --- |
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=== # ===

نعم، عند علماء الأصول:
حديث آحاد في باب الدماء لا يُعمل به عند كثير من العلماء إلا مع قرائن قوية.

علماء كبار قالوا هذا:
* الإمام أبو حنيفة
* الإمام مالك في روايات
* الشوكاني
* ابن القيم (يميز بين الردة والتغلب السياسي)
* ابن تيمية (يفرق بين الردة المجردة والمقاتلة)

والسبب:

===== - كل آيات القرآن الثمانية عن الردة =====
* العديد من الأمثلة التاريخية
* قواعد عدم قتل الناس على العقيدة
* «لا إكراه في الدين»

=== # ===

===== - رواه صحابي واحد فقط. =====
* رواه عنه تابع واحد فقط.
* ورواه عن التابعي شخص واحد فقط.
* ثم تفرّع طريقان فقط.

➡ هذا أقل درجات الانتشار = آحاد خالص.

===== - رواه صحابي واحد في البخاري =====
* لكن له شواهد من صحابة آخرين بصيغ مشابهة ➡ آحاد، لكنه أقرب إلى مشهور بالمعنى.

===== ولا واحد منهما رواه 27 صحابي ولا حتى 3 لأي صيغة مطابقة. =====

=== 📌 مخطط isnad tree (شجرة السند) ===
📌 تحليل رجالي لكل راوٍ واحدًا واحدًا
📌 أقوال العلماء الذين قالوا إن الحديث سياسي وليس عقائدي
📌 دراسة أصولية: هل يجوز قتل أحد بحديث آحاد؟

أجهزها لك فورًا.

=== User: great last point ... ===
great last point ... about abo bakr el sedeek hoorob el reda .. was it vs mosilama or mosilama and muslim reverts in general ? other than those in mecca

=== Assistant: Excellent question — and one of the most misunderstood events in Islamic history. ===
Excellent question — and one of the most misunderstood events in Islamic history.

People think:
“حروب الردة = أبو بكر قتل كل من ترك الإسلام.”

This is not what happened.

Let’s break it down based on the historical sources: الطبري، ابن كثير، ابن الأثير، البلاذري، الواقدي.

=== ## ===

These were rebellions claiming prophethood, NOT “normal apostasy”.
They:

✔ killed Muslims
✔ formed armies
✔ declared states
✔ attacked Madinah
✔ were joining forces with other tribes

This is open warfare, not “ترك الدين”.

This includes:
* مسيلمة الكذاب
* طليحة الأسدي
* سجاح بنت الحارث
* الأسود العنسي في اليمن (قُتل قبل وفاة النبي)

==== These people did NOT leave Islam. ====
They literally said:

: 

Why?

Because they thought zakat was a political tax to Madinah, and after the Prophet’s death, they wanted independence.

Abu Bakr called this:

: 

And Umar disagreed at first, saying:

: 

Abu Bakr responded:

: 

This is a tax rebellion
NOT religious apostasy.

==== It may surprise you, but: ====

===== who merely stopped believing. =====

The historians mention:
* قبائل ارتدت → mostly joined Musaylima or rebel leaders
* بعض الأفراد تركوا الإسلام → no battles recorded
* أهل مكة → remained under Abu Bakr, none killed for apostasy

There is ZERO evidence in all classical sources that Abu Bakr punished someone just for changing beliefs silently.

=== Because: ===
* Quraysh (after conquering Mecca) kept Islam and did not rebel
* Mecca paid zakat and obeyed the state
* No “religious” apostasy movement happened inside Mecca
* No Musaylima-type figure appeared there
* No tribe from Mecca refused zakat

So Abu Bakr had no reason to fight them.

=== ### ===

❌ A war against ex-Muslims
❌ A war against personal belief
❌ Punishment for leaving religion

===== ✔ A series of political-military rebellions =====
✔ Tribes refusing central authority
✔ Tribes following new prophets
✔ Territories breaking away after the Prophet’s death
✔ Tax refusal (zakat = state revenue)
✔ Armed groups killing Muslim tax collectors
✔ Secession movements

The word “الردة” in early Arabic meant political secession, not only religious apostasy.

=== ### ===

: 

===== : =====

===== : =====

===== : =====

= 3 separate categories.

=== Musaylima’s case was: ===
* ✖ ادعاء النبوة
* ✖ تشكيل جيش
* ✖ قتل المسلمين
* ✖ مهاجمة دولة المدينة
* ✖ تحالف قبائل ضده

This is closer to fighting an enemy state, not someone “leaving Islam”.

=== ### ===

They were:

===== ### =====

===== The wars were 90% political, 10% about false prophets, and 0% about private apostasy. =====

If you want, I can show you:

📌 Full list of tribes in Ridda wars
📌 What each one believed
📌 Who refused zakat only
📌 Who claimed prophethood
📌 Who actually apostated religiously
📌 Which battles happened & why

Just tell me.

=== User: 📌 Who refused zakat only ===
📌 Who refused zakat only

=== Assistant: Here is the clean, accurate list of all tribes in حروب الردة who refused zakat ONLY — they did NOT leave Islam, did NOT… ===
Here is the clean, accurate list of all tribes in حروب الردة who refused zakat ONLY — they did NOT leave Islam, did NOT follow Musaylima, and did NOT deny the Quran.
Their ONLY issue was political:
They didn’t want to pay zakat to Madinah after the Prophet ﷺ died.

These tribes are documented in:
* الطبري
* ابن كثير
* ابن الأثير
* البلاذري
* الواقدي
* ابن سعد

=== ### ===

The MOST famous case.

مالِك بن نُوَيرة and his clan:
* Kept praying
* Never denied Islam
* Never joined Musaylima
* Only refused zakat to Madinah

They said:

: 

Even خالد بن الوليد initially considered them Muslims.
This is why there is controversy about his killing of Malik.

=== ### ===

Their leader: الحُطَم بن ضبيعة.

He famously said:

: 

They didn’t deny Islam, but they did:
* Arm themselves
* Block zakat collectors
* Refuse to pay anything to Madinah

BUT they did NOT follow any false prophet.

=== Important distinction: ===
* طليحة بن خويلد الأسدي = ادعى النبوة → حرب عقائدية وسياسية
* قسم كبير من بني أسد = only refused zakat

Some clans rejected fighting with طليحة and simply refused to pay zakat out of tribal independence.

=== غطفان overall allied with طليحة، but many sub-tribes stayed Muslim and refused zakat for political reasons. ===

These include clans from:
* عبس
* ذبيان
* فزارة

Sources say:

: 

=== كِندة انقسمت إلى: ===
* قسم تبع الأشعث بن قيس (سيطرة سياسية)
* قسم رفض الزكاة فقط ولم يدّعِ أحد منهم النبوة

They said:

: 

Not apostasy.

=== After موت الأسود العنسي: ===
* كثير من اليمنيين بقوا مسلمين
* لكنهم أرادوا الاستقلال
* ورفضوا إرسال الزكاة إلى المدينة

They didn’t deny Islam or Qur'an.

=== Part of Bani Sulaym refused zakat after the Prophet’s death. ===

Al-Tabari:

: 

=== Several tribes expressed this exact logic: ===

===== ### =====

===== ### =====

Examples include:
* قبائل من طيء
* قبائل من جهينة
* بعض قبائل مُزينة
* بعض من هذيل

Not because they rejected Islam — but because zakat was viewed then as a tribute paid to Madinah, and they no longer recognized Abu Bakr’s authority.

=== The major “zakat-only refusers”: ===
# Bani Tamim — Malik ibn Nuwayra faction
# Rabi‘a (Bakr/Taghlib) — Hutam ibn Dubay‘a faction
# Part of Bani Asad (non-Tulayha)
# Part of Ghatafan (non-Tulayha)
# Part of Kinda (non-Ash‘ath)
# Large groups in Yemen (post-Aswad al-Ansi)
# Part of Bani Sulaym
# Scattered tribes including Tayy’, Juhayna, Muzaynah, Hudhayl

These groups:
* Did not deny Islam
* Did not claim new prophecy
* Did not deny Quran
* Did not leave Islam religiously
* Only rejected political tax authority of Madinah

=== Abu Bakr never called them “kuffar”. ===

He called them:

: 

Not “المرتدون”.

And ‘Umar objected to fighting them because they were still Muslims.

The Riddah wars were:

===== ### =====

If you want, I can give you:

📌 Exact quotations from الطبري & ابن كثير
📌 Map showing where each tribe was
📌 Timeline of the battles
📌 A table comparing:
* who denied religion
* who refused zakat
* who claimed prophecy
* who just wanted independence

Just tell me.

=== User: so why did he kill man3o al zakah if they didnt fight him ? ===
so why did he kill man3o al zakah if they didnt fight him ? and they said they will pay it as they see fit !
which is correct islamically

=== Assistant: This is exactly the heart of the whole debate of Ridda vs. ===
This is exactly the heart of the whole debate of Ridda vs. tax rebellion vs. freedom of religion — and historians + classical fuqahā’ themselves do not fully agree on Abu Bakr’s decision.

Let me give you the precise truth, not the over-simplified version taught to the public.

=== According to al-Tabari, Ibn Kathir, al-Baladhuri, and al-Waqidi: ===

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===== This is their statement: =====

: 

This is 100% correct Islamically according to the Qur'an:

: 

And historically, Abu Bakr fought them even though they did not attack.

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===== Abu Bakr said: =====

: 

His interpretation was:
* Zakat MUST be given to the central government
* Refusing it = rebellion (سياسة), not religion
* Not paying = disobedience to the state

So his motive was political cohesion, not “punishing apostasy.”

Even Omar objected because these people were Muslims.

=== When Omar heard Abu Bakr intended to fight those who: ===
* Say shahada
* Pray
* Claim to be Muslims
* Didn't deny Quran
* Only refused to pay tax to the capital

Omar said:

: 

This means Omar saw the conflict as political, not religious.

Abu Bakr responded with his famous sentence.

Notice:

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===== The Qur’an never says: =====

❌ “Kill the one who refuses zakat”
❌ “Fight a Muslim who doesn’t pay tax to the caliphate”

The Prophet never fought:
* Hypocrites who refused zakat
* Individuals who refused zakat in Mecca
* New Muslims who weren’t paying yet

===== Abu Bakr saw that if he allowed tribes to pay zakat locally: =====
* The young Islamic state would collapse
* Every tribe would become independent
* No national treasury
* No ability to support armies
* No unified state after the Prophet

So he made a state-building decision, not a “Shari‘ah ruling”.

Just like:
* ‘Umar suspended hadd of theft in famine
* ‘Uthman standardized the Qur’an
* ‘Ali relocated the capital
* Omar created diwans and salaries

These are all ijtihadat dawliya, not pure religious commands.

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to maintain unity and prevent fragmentation.

===== for all Muslims in all times. =====

This is why NO classical madhhab says:

: 

None.

Instead they say:

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=== Actually: ===
* Most “killed” were in battles with tribes that WERE fighting
* The zakat-only groups were fought militarily because Abu Bakr saw them as separatists
* Malik ibn Nuwayra’s killing was controversial and was NOT ordered by Abu Bakr
* Abu Bakr later compensated his brother and rejected Khalid’s action

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=== 📌 The exact text of Malik ibn Nuwayra’s case from al-Tabari ===
📌 The scholarly opinions on whether Abu Bakr was right
📌 A comparison of his ijtihad with Omar’s position
📌 Whether zakat MUST be centralized or local

Just tell me.

=== User: what is the evidence that this happend in the first place ... ===
what is the evidence that this happend in the first place ... are the sources good ? and when where they written and how the info was collected

=== Assistant: Below is the clean, sourced, academic breakdown of the issue of “māniʿū al-zakāh” those who withheld zakat during the R… ===
Below is the clean, sourced, academic breakdown of the issue of “māniʿū al-zakāh” (those who withheld zakat) during the Riddah Wars, including what the sources actually say, their reliability, when they were written, and how the information was transmitted.
I’ll keep it precise and without political coloring.

=== The reports about tribes who stopped paying zakat after the Prophet ﷺ died appear mainly in: ===

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👉 The closest historically to the time:
Balādhurī (279 AH) and Ṭabarī (310 AH).

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===== — Musaylima, Tulayha, Sajjah, al-Aswad =====
— These fought the state.

===== This group includes: =====
* Banū Tamīm (some clans)
* Banū Asad
* Banū Bakr
* Banū Ghatafān
* Al-Fazārah
* ‘Abs

But the key question:

==== The sources give two contradictory narratives: ====

==== 📚 Ṭabarī narrates (with isnād): ====

: 

This version says they did not accept Madinah’s authority — meaning their refusal was political, not just economic.

==== 📚 Balādhurī states: ====

: 

Balādhurī’s wording indicates:
* They did not reject Islam
* They did not deny zakat as a pillar
* They only rejected State collection

This aligns with your point.

==== This is mostly the position of later jurists, not historians. ====

But the earliest sources do NOT clearly state they became kāfir or apostate.

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No early source says Abū Bakr killed people who peacefully declined paying zakat.

Instead:
* He sent armies because tribes refused the authority of Madinah
* And some of them initiated hostilities
* And some joined Musaylima or Tulayha

There is no record of Abū Bakr killing a peaceful group that merely said:
“we will pay zakat locally”.

Even in Ṭabarī, the battles occur because the tribes attacked first or prepared for war.

=== Recorded in Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī: ===

: 

Meaning:
* He viewed zakat as a public law not an individual voluntary charity.
* If they reject the public law, this equals rebellion (not kufr).

Later jurists interpreted this as apostasy, but this is not clearly in the original sources.

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* Collected written materials from earlier transmitters (like al-Wāqidī, Ibn Kalbī, Sayf ibn ‘Umar).
* Used chains of transmission (isnād) but not the same strict standard as hadith science.
* Many reports come from Sayf ibn ‘Umar, who is: - Weak in hadith, - But still used for history because he preserved early narratives.

Important:
Even weak hadith transmitters can preserve accurate historical information.

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* Sayf ibn ‘Umar al-Tamīmī — considered weak in hadith.

However:
* His political/military reports are used by Ṭabarī and Balādhurī.
* There are multiple conflicting versions, meaning the historians preserved everything, not judging.

👉 So the historical record is not “sahih”, it is a mix.

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===== If you want, I can also give you: =====

✅ A list of every tribe involved
✅ A breakdown of every isnād related to Riddah
✅ Which narrators are strong/weak
✅ Mapping the contradictory versions side-by-side
✅ A timeline of events in 11 AH day-by-day

Just tell me.

=== User: okay i want u to write me a title and description and hashtags including EducatorAward ===
okay i want u to write me a title and description and hashtags including #EducatorAward 
all in arabic plz and a tag line sarcastic plz

=== Assistant: أكيد يا محمود — هذه صياغة قوية، جذابة، وساخرة كما طلبت 👇🔥 ===
أكيد يا محمود — هذه صياغة قوية، جذابة، وساخرة كما طلبت 👇🔥

=== 🎥 العنوان (Title): ===

ليه بنصدق أي كلام؟! من الحروب لحد المصادر… الحقيقة مش زي ما بيقولوها!

=== 📝 الوصف (Description): ===

في الفيديو ده بنتكلم عن موضوع مهم جدًا:
ليه بعض المعلومات الدينية والتاريخية اللي بيوصلّوهالنا مش بتتوافق مع النصوص الأصلية؟
ومنين بنجيب “المصدر الصح” أصلاً؟
هل كل اللي مكتوب في الكتب القديمة حقيقي؟ ولا في حاجات دخلها تسييس وتفسير من بشر مش معصومين؟

لو مهتم تفهم الفرق بين التاريخ المروي والتاريخ الحقيقي…
وتعرف إزاي تقرأ المصادر زي ما العلماء الكبار كانوا بيعملوا…
الفيديو ده ليك 👇

خليك فاكر: التفكير مش جريمة… الجريمة إنك توقف تفكر! 😄

#EducatorAward
#المصادر
#الوعي
#التفكير
#الدين
#التاريخ
#بحث_علمي
#تفكيك_المعلومات
#مصادر_موثوقة
#اسأل_قبل_ما_تصدق
#تعليم

=== 🎯 Tagline (ساخرة): ===

"إوعى تقلق… إحنا مش جايين نشكّك، إحنا جايين نصلّح اللي اتشقلب!"

لو عايز نسخة أخف/أقوى/أطول أو حسب منصة (يوتيوب – تيك توك – ريلز)، قولّي وعدّلهالك فورًا.

=== User: no i want it more direct and sarcastic .. ===
no i want it more direct and sarcastic .. something like ... 7ad el redda -- FAtiiii

=== Assistant: تمام… خليك معايا 👇😏🔥 ===
تمام… خليك معايا 👇😏🔥
هديك عنوان + وصف + هاشتاجات + تاجلاين… كلهم مباشرين و ساخرين بنفس الروح اللي طلبتها، على ستايل:

"حدّ الردة؟ فااااتييي" 😄

=== 🎥 العنوان (Title): ===

حدّ الردة؟ فااااتييي… وتعالى نقرا بقى!

=== 📝 الوصف (Description): ===

الفيديو ده لكل واحد بيقولك:
"أصل في الدين بنعمل كذا… وفيه حد ردّة… وفيه قتل… وفيه وفيه…"

طب يا معلم… فتحت المصحف؟
قرّيت المصادر الأولى؟
ولا واخد العلم من واحد صاحبه؟ 🤷‍♂️

هنا هنعمل أبجريد للوعي:
● إيه اللي موجود فعلًا في القرآن؟
● إيه اللي العلماء اختلفوا فيه؟
● وإزاي بعض الناس بتتكلم بثقة أعلى من المايكروفون نفسه؟

لو عايز الواقع من المصادر… مش من “قالولنا”…
إتشد بيلتس ✨

#EducatorAward
#حد_الردة
#الدين
#التاريخ
#وعي
#تفكير
#مصادر
#اقرأ
#تعليم
#مش_كل_اللي_يتقال_يتصدق

=== 🎯 Tagline (ساخرة): ===

"حدّ الردة؟ ولا حدّ السوشيال ميديا؟!"

لو عايزها أخفّ، أجرأ، أو أكثر نارية… قولّي وأنا أضبطها.

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