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=== Assistant: Nice — I ran a quick parametric survey and produced contour plots + CSVs you can download. === Nice — I ran a quick parametric survey and produced contour plots + CSVs you can download. I picked a simple but physically-motivated model to see how QAT-like photon→mass bookkeeping could show up across different event-rates and event-durations. What I computed * Characteristic energy per photon–event (heuristic): E0≈ℏca0E_0 \approx \dfrac{\hbar c}{a_0}E0≈a0ℏc using the Bohr radius a0a_0a0 (atomic scale). (You asked to keep h/2πh/2\pih/2π visible — I used ℏ=h/2π\hbar = h/2\piℏ=h/2π for the numeric estimate.) * For a chosen number density nnn (events per m³), and event rate ν\nuν [Hz] and event duration τ\tauτ [s], I used a simple energy-density model: u=n E0 (ντ)u = n \, E_0 \,(\nu \tau)u=nE0(ντ) then converted to an effective mass density ρ=u/c2\rho = u / c^2ρ=u/c2. * I compared ρ\rhoρ to a reference density ρref≈9×10−27 kg/m3\rho_{\rm ref}\approx 9\times 10^{-27}\ \mathrm{kg/m^3}ρref≈9×10−27 kg/m3 (order of magnitude: cosmological critical density today) and plotted log10(ρ/ρref)\log_{10}(\rho/\rho_{\rm ref})log10(ρ/ρref). Two scenarios shown # Bohr-scale events with a very low number-density n=0.25 m−3n=0.25\ \mathrm{m^{-3}}n=0.25 m−3 (a cosmic-baryon-like order) — “cosmic” case. # Bohr-scale events with a dense-plasma number-density n=1018 m−3n=10^{18}\ \mathrm{m^{-3}}n=1018 m−3 — “dense-plasma / stellar” case. What I produced * Two contour plots showing log10(ρ/ρref)\log_{10}(\rho/\rho_{\rm ref})log10(ρ/ρref) over a wide grid: - ν\nuν from 10010^0100 to 102410^{24}1024 Hz - τ\tauτ from 10−2410^{-24}10−24 to 10010^{0}100 s * Two CSV files with a flattened table (nu, tau, log10_ratio) for each scenario, saved to the session drive: - /mnt/data/QAT_ratio_cosmic_bohr_flat.csv - /mnt/data/QAT_ratio_dense_bohr_flat.csv * I also made small sample tables visible in the notebook. Where this is useful * These plots show how sensitive an effective mass density would be to the microphysics rates (event rate ν\nuν) and durations (τ\tauτ) for a chosen event energy and number density. In the simple model above: - Increasing event rate or duration increases the effective energy density linearly. - Increasing the number density nnn shifts the whole plane upward (compare the two scenarios: dense plasma easily reaches huge effective densities). * This is a first, exploratory step you can iterate on: - change the length scale (I used Bohr radius; you could use Planck length, atomic radii of heavier atoms, or a plasma skin depth), - use other number-density values (interstellar medium, stellar core, laboratory plasma), - use a different per-event energy model (e.g. specific transition energies rather than ℏc/scale\hbar c / \text{scale}ℏc/scale), - or refine the event-rate model (e.g. event rate = photons emitted per particle per second derived from temperature, cross-sections, or stimulated emission). Interpretation notes / caveats * This is intentionally simple — it treats many complicated dynamic processes as a steady, average “energy deposited per unit volume” model. It is a toy model to explore scaling and orders of magnitude, not a derivation of GR or a rigorous field-theory result. * Using E0=ℏc/scaleE_0 = \hbar c / \text{scale}E0=ℏc/scale is a heuristic way to get a characteristic energy associated with a length scale; other choices might be more physically meaningful depending on the system (atomic transition energies, thermal kT, plasma frequencies...). * Matching this to gravity (recovering GGG) would require a careful dynamical derivation (Lagrangian, event rates tied to local fields, coupling to curvature) — this survey simply shows how feasible it is, at the parameter level, to produce densities comparable to cosmological/astrophysical scales. If you want next Pick one and I’ll continue: # Take one of these scenarios (say dense plasma) and replace the heuristic E0=ℏc/a0E_0=\hbar c/a_0E0=ℏc/a0 with a physically-motivated energy per event (e.g. thermal kBTk_B TkBT or a specific photon transition energy), then redo the survey. # Use Planck-scale length and Planck-time as the event scale (for a speculative extreme case). # Start turning the simple energy-density → curvature matching into a Lagrangian-derived toy model: compute the surface (shell) energy density, identify an event rate tied to local field strengths, and attempt a back-of-envelope match to GGG. # I can package the CSVs and plots so you can download them, and make annotated figures you can reuse in thumbnails or slides. Which next step do you want? (I recommend #1 or #3 depending whether you want a more physical survey or to push toward a QAT→GR derivation.)
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