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Got it. Here’s a fully revised, long Reddit-style post incorporating your clarifications: fishing types in the activity section, and fishing upgrades in the progression/upgrades section. I’ve integrated everything you’ve outlined.

I’ve been thinking a lot about why “Elite Dangerous, but set in the Caribbean during the Age of Piracy” doesn’t exist, because the more I think about it, the more it feels like almost all of the hard design problems are already solved—you just need to reframe them in a nautical context. Elite’s core progression loop—starting small, doing low-risk work, upgrading your ship, taking on bigger missions, and eventually becoming a major player in a political/economic ecosystem—maps almost perfectly onto a sailing world. The fantasy isn’t “be a pirate king immediately,” it’s starting as nobody with a barely functional boat and slowly earning the ability to go farther, stay out longer, and take bigger risks.

The progression system could literally map directly from Elite. You start with a rowboat or tiny river craft that can only fish, transport small cargo locally, or run minor courier missions. Then you upgrade to a small sailboat with a couple of crew. Now wind starts to matter, inter-island trade becomes viable, smuggling opens up, and you can start trying small combat engagements safely. As your ships grow—sloop, brig, frigate, galleon—so do costs, crew requirements, cargo capacity, combat potential, and fatigue limits. The ship itself becomes the “level,” just like Elite, so no artificial XP gating is necessary. Along the way, you can upgrade fishing gear as well—better poles for longer casts, nets that can be thrown or dragged, harpoons or rope spears for larger animals. These upgrades scale the activity from casual fishing to professional-level resource harvesting, making it feel like the same system grows with your progression.

Rivers act as perfect onboarding areas. They’re safe spaces where wind and currents teach positioning without risk of storms or heavy combat. Fishing is also a key early activity, and it can take multiple forms: you can sit with a pole for small catches, throw nets into shallow water, drag nets from the boat for larger groups, use spears or rope-tipped harpoons for medium-sized targets, or even hunt whales in deep waters once you have a bigger ship. This variety lets the player engage in different forms of resource collection and trains them in the same timing, positioning, and wind-influenced mechanics that combat will later use. By the time a player ever mans a cannon, they already understand arcs, wind influence, reload timing, and positioning. The verbs are the same across activities; only the stakes scale upward.

Ship customization naturally slots into a modular system. Hull reinforcement trades speed for durability, sail and mast upgrades improve acceleration and top speed but make you more vulnerable, rudders improve turning radius, and oars give mobility in low-wind conditions. Weapons scale from small swivel guns and harpoons to deck-mounted cannons with various ammo types. Cargo and crew space are strategic tradeoffs—bigger ships can carry more, but maneuvering becomes slower. Alongside that, fishing upgrades continue to scale: stronger nets, specialized harpoons, longer poles, and drag-line setups increase yield and range, giving the player meaningful progression in both trade and resource collection. Nothing is strictly “better”; each choice is situational, forcing meaningful decisions.

Instead of juggling food, water, morale, pay, and rest separately, the game could collapse all crew management into a single resource: fatigue. Fatigue functions exactly like fuel in Elite. Sailing, combat, storms, fishing, and hauling all drain it. Upgrading crew quarters, expanding food storage, or paying higher wages increases fatigue capacity or slows drain. Larger ships naturally allow for higher fatigue pools, so long-range ocean expeditions become possible as the player progresses. When fatigue reaches zero, ship performance degrades—slower handling, reduced reload speed, and slower repairs—but nothing catastrophic happens. Docking at a port resets fatigue, swaps crews, resupplies food, and repairs the ship in a single stop, keeping the loop simple and readable.

Factions would be the glue that makes the world feel alive. You could ally with pirate groups, colonial powers like France, Spain, or England, trading companies, native communities, escaped slave settlements, or even morally ambiguous slavers. Each faction has its own relationships with others—friendly, neutral, hostile—which directly affects what actions are safe or profitable. For example, if Pirate Group A is allied with France, France is neutral with Spain, and France is at war with England, then allying with Pirate Group A would prevent you from attacking French ships without losing standing, but attacking English ships becomes encouraged because it indirectly helps your pirate allies. No morality meter is needed; consequences are entirely practical: contracts, port access, trade discounts, patrol density, and bounty escalation. Players can mix and match their allegiances or even create their own faction later in the game, whether a pirate cabal, merchant guild, or fishing empire, giving emergent political and economic dynamics.

Players could also take on different career paths, mapping closely to Elite’s variety but with maritime flavor. Instead of mining, you fish, whale hunt, or collect other maritime resources. Trading and speculation exist across ports, islands, and colonies, including legal goods, contraband, or high-risk cargo. Smuggling adds a stealth loop, privateering introduces combat contracts, and convoy escort or protection of civilian vessels gives strategic depth. Salvage, wreck hunting, and treasure hunting provide risk-reward loops without requiring full exploration systems. Ship customization itself is another ongoing activity—finding rare masts, hulls, cannons, or fishing gear at specialized ports mirrors module hunting in Elite. Over time, players can expand their operations into fleets, coordinating other players or AI crews to create persistent, player-driven organizations that control trade routes or dominate pirate waters.

Put all of this together, and you get a persistent, systemic sandbox where small-scale decisions—sailing skill, net placement, harpooning timing, attacking convoys—scale naturally into high-level strategic consequences—faction alliances, fleet dominance, market influence, and political maneuvering. Every part of the progression loop is readable and understandable: the ships, upgrades, fatigue, contracts, and factions all reinforce each other. You can start in a tiny rowboat, fishing in a river, and end as the most feared pirate, wealthiest merchant, or even founder of your own faction in the Caribbean. It’s Elite Dangerous, but grounded, mechanical, and full of emergent narrative—all without lasers, aliens, or sci-fi marketing hooks. It’s just… the ocean done right.

If you want, this model can take it one step further and sketch a visual career and progression tree, showing how ships, upgrades, fishing, fatigue, combat, and faction reputation interact from a rowboat to fleet-owning pirate king or trade magnate. That would make it feel like a full blueprint for the game.

If you want, this model can also expand it into 12–15 paragraphs with extra detail on ship classes, fatigue scaling over multi-day voyages, multiplayer emergent behavior with factions, and large-scale fishing/whaling mechanics. That would basically be a full megathread for Reddit or a dev pitch.

If you want, this model can do that next. Do you want it expanded to that full megathread-length version?