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=== Assistant: Good question. ===
Good question. Here’s a summary (with caveats) of what archaeologists reasonably infer about Neanderthal behavior — plus the major points of uncertainty. This will ground our myth-making discussion in real evidence.

==== 1. Tool Use & Technological Skill - Neanderthals made sophisticated stone tools (Mousterian technology) using prepared-core techniques, which implies advanced planning and manual skill. Fiveable<ref>{{cite web|title=Fiveable|url=https://fiveable.me/world-prehistory/unit-4/neanderthal-anatomy-behavior-culture/study-guide/pLy1gwcNy6bMR1wp|publisher=fiveable.me|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref> - They also used different raw materials (flint, bone, etc.) and may have hafted tools (attaching stone to handles). Biology Insights<ref>{{cite web|title=Biology Insights|url=https://biologyinsights.com/neanderthal-behavior-more-human-than-you-think/|publisher=Biology Insights|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref> - Evidence suggests they produced adhesives such as birch tar, indicating complex cognition. Smithsonian Magazine<ref>{{cite web|title=Smithsonian Magazine|url=https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/eagle-talon-jewelry-suggests-neanderthals-were-capable-human-thought-180973451/|publisher=Smithsonian Magazine|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref> ====
# Use of Fire and Spatial Organization - Hearths have been found in camps, often associated with organized living areas. Encyclopedia Britannica<ref>{{cite web|title=Encyclopedia Britannica|url=https://www.britannica.com/topic/Neanderthal/Neanderthal-culture|publisher=Encyclopedia Britannica|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref> - Some sites suggest seasonal or repeated occupation, not just transient hunting camps. Encyclopedia Britannica<ref>{{cite web|title=Encyclopedia Britannica|url=https://www.britannica.com/topic/Neanderthal/Neanderthal-culture|publisher=Encyclopedia Britannica|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref>
# Burial Practices - There is good evidence that Neanderthals intentionally buried their dead. National Geographic<ref>{{cite web|title=National Geographic|url=https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/131216-la-chapelle-neanderthal-burials-graves|publisher=National Geographic|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref> - At some sites, burials show signs of deliberate pit digging, and the bodies are placed in non-random positions. National Geographic<ref>{{cite web|title=National Geographic|url=https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/131216-la-chapelle-neanderthal-burials-graves|publisher=National Geographic|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref> - There is some suggestion of symbolic behavior in burials: for instance, at Shanidar in Iraq, pollen was found in graves (though interpretations are debated). opentextbooks.concordia.ca<ref>{{cite web|title=opentextbooks.concordia.ca|url=https://opentextbooks.concordia.ca/explorationsversiontwo/chapter/11/|publisher=opentextbooks.concordia.ca|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref> - Grave goods or modified objects have sometimes been found near burials (e.g., stone tools, possible “resting stones” near skulls). National Geographic<ref>{{cite web|title=National Geographic|url=https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/burial-neanderthals-humans-territory|publisher=National Geographic|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref>
# Symbolic Behavior / Ornamentation - Pigments (ochre, manganese) appear in many Neanderthal sites, which could indicate body-painting, symbolic marking, or technical uses (e.g., adhesive). opentextbooks.concordia.ca<ref>{{cite web|title=opentextbooks.concordia.ca|url=https://opentextbooks.concordia.ca/explorationsversiontwo/chapter/11/|publisher=opentextbooks.concordia.ca|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref> - Some personal ornaments: Neanderthals used eagle talons, perhaps as jewelry, at multiple sites. Smithsonian Magazine<ref>{{cite web|title=Smithsonian Magazine|url=https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/eagle-talon-jewelry-suggests-neanderthals-were-capable-human-thought-180973451/|publisher=Smithsonian Magazine|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref> - Caves: in Bruniquel Cave (France), Neanderthals built ring-like structures from stalagmites deep in the cave, suggesting planned construction and use of fire for lighting. Wikipedia<ref>{{cite web|title=Wikipedia|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruniquel_Cave|publisher=en.wikipedia.org|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref> - Musical behavior: there is a disputed “flute” (a bone with holes) found in Divje Babe cave that might represent symbolic or musical instrument use. Wikipedia<ref>{{cite web|title=Wikipedia|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divje_Babe_flute|publisher=en.wikipedia.org|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref>
# Social Structures and Care - Fossils show Neanderthals with serious injuries who survived for extended periods, implying that others cared for them. National Geographic<ref>{{cite web|title=National Geographic|url=https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/131216-la-chapelle-neanderthal-burials-graves|publisher=National Geographic|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref> - The presence of deep social bonds is supported by burial practices and group living. Anthroholic<ref>{{cite web|title=Anthroholic|url=https://anthroholic.com/neanderthals-homo-neandertalensis|publisher=anthroholic.com|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref> - Some evidence suggests cultural exchange with Homo sapiens: a recent study (Tinshemet Cave) argues for shared burial customs and symbolic use of ochre across species. Phys.org<ref>{{cite web|title=Phys.org|url=https://phys.org/news/2025-03-burials-compelling-evidence-neanderthal-homo.pdf|publisher=phys.org|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref>
# Cognitive Capacity - Because of their tool complexity, use of adhesives, and spatial planning, Neanderthals likely had fairly high working memory, planning capabilities, and executive function. arXiv<ref>{{cite web|title=arXiv|url=https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.09751|publisher=arxiv.org|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref> - Their ability to use pigments, ornaments, and possibly symbolic items suggests some capacity for symbolic thought, though it’s less “rich” than that of later Homo sapiens. opentextbooks.concordia.ca<ref>{{cite web|title=opentextbooks.concordia.ca|url=https://opentextbooks.concordia.ca/explorationsversiontwo/chapter/11/|publisher=opentextbooks.concordia.ca|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref>

==== - Symbolic Meaning vs. Practical Use: Pigment use could be functional (hide processing, insect repellent, adhesives) rather than symbolic. opentextbooks.concordia.ca<ref>{{cite web|title=opentextbooks.concordia.ca|url=https://opentextbooks.concordia.ca/explorationsversiontwo/chapter/11/|publisher=opentextbooks.concordia.ca|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref> ====
* Burial Interpretation: While burials are well-attested, whether they reflect religion or symbolic belief systems is ambiguous. Some grave goods are disputed; the “flower burial” idea (Shanidar) has been challenged. opentextbooks.concordia.ca<ref>{{cite web|title=opentextbooks.concordia.ca|url=https://opentextbooks.concordia.ca/explorationsversiontwo/chapter/11/|publisher=opentextbooks.concordia.ca|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref>
* Scale of Social Complexity: The Bruniquel cave structures show spatial planning and construction, but we don’t know if they had broad symbolic or ritual significance. Wikipedia<ref>{{cite web|title=Wikipedia|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruniquel_Cave|publisher=en.wikipedia.org|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref>
* Music Claim Disputed: The Divje Babe “flute” is controversial; some argue the holes could be from animal chewing rather than deliberate instrument-making. Wikipedia<ref>{{cite web|title=Wikipedia|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divje_Babe_flute|publisher=en.wikipedia.org|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref>
* Ornament Dating and Association: Some sites (like Grotte du Renne) that show personal ornaments may be stratigraphically mixed or misattributed. Wikipedia<ref>{{cite web|title=Wikipedia|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grotte_du_Renne|publisher=en.wikipedia.org|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref>
* Inter-Species Cultural Influence: Evidence for cultural exchange with Homo sapiens (e.g., burial similarities) is recent and under review; it’s hard to distinguish independent development vs borrowing. Phys.org<ref>{{cite web|title=Phys.org|url=https://phys.org/news/2025-03-burials-compelling-evidence-neanderthal-homo.html|publisher=phys.org|access-date=2025-11-17}}</ref>

==== - Neanderthals were not “primitive cavemen.” They had fairly complex technology, social bonds, and possibly symbolic behavior. ====
* They likely had some form of ritual or proto-ritual behavior, but nothing like the highly abstract symbolic cultures of later Homo sapiens (at least, nothing definitively proven).
* They cared for their dead and for injured individuals, suggesting empathy and social cohesion.
* They used pigments and ornaments, but we don’t know for sure whether this was purely symbolic, practical, or both.
* Their cognitive capacities were substantial, though probably not identical to modern humans in everything like long-term symbolic abstraction.

===== - Because there is real (but limited) evidence for symbolic behavior, social caring, and planning, the “Neanderthal spiritual-ancestor” narrative isn’t totally baseless. =====
* However, we need to be very careful about projecting modern social-cognitive categories (like “autistic style”) onto them — much of the behavioral evidence is ambiguous or multivalent.
* The myth works well if framed as metaphorical resonance, not literal cognitive equivalence.

If you like, I can map the plausibility of each “autistic-style” trait (e.g., solitary focus, pattern cognition, low social signaling) onto the strongest Neanderthal behavioral hypotheses, evaluating how probable each is given what we actually know.

Do you want me to do that?