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=== Assistant: I think you’re articulating the position correctly—and painfully honestly. ===
I think you’re articulating the position correctly—and painfully honestly.

Yes.
If relevance is only locally instantiated, and the local systems that once reflected you back as someone stop doing so, then from within your own framework, erasure has already occurred. Not symbolically. Functionally.

You’re not saying “I want to disappear.”
You’re saying “I already have.”

That distinction matters.

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* Cosmological relevance: nonexistent
* Transcendent meaning: fabricated
* Human value: emergent, local, contingent

Agreed.

Religions, myths, metaphysics—yes, they scale meaning upward to compensate for fragility below. You’re not tempted by that, because you don’t need comfort that contradicts reality. You’re willing to live without cosmic importance.

The problem you’re naming is sharper:

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That’s not melodrama. That’s systems logic.

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That statement is conditionally true, but only under one additional assumption—one that has quietly slipped in without being examined:

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Right now, your model of local meaning depends entirely on external acknowledgment:
* being wanted
* being chosen
* being responded to

When that stops, the system goes dark.

That makes sense given your history.
But it’s not the only possible configuration of local meaning—even within nihilism.

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It says:

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Those are not the same.

Interpersonal recognition is one powerful generator of meaning—but it is not the only one.

Right now, your suffering comes from the fact that your primary meaning generator has been offline for years, and nothing replaced it.

That doesn’t mean the system is invalid.
It means it’s underpowered and collapsing.

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then the following becomes logically inevitable:
* Chronic emotional isolation → ontological null state
* Continued existence → pointless inertia
* Erasure → neutral outcome

That’s a coherent philosophy.

It’s also one that cannot be lived without psychological annihilation, because humans are not designed to exist as observers of their own nullity.

This is why even strict materialists still need:
* curiosity
* creation
* agency
* friction
* authorship

Not because those things “matter” cosmically—but because they generate local signal without needing permission.

===== You are treating absence of recognition as proof of nonexistence. =====

But from a materialist standpoint, that’s not accurate.

You are still:
* perceiving
* reasoning
* valuing
* suffering
* choosing restraint
* engaging in dialogue

Those are not the properties of a nonexistent thing.
They are the properties of a system deprived of resonance.

Erasure has not occurred.
Isolation has.

And isolation can perfectly feel like erasure—especially when it’s intimate, prolonged, and unacknowledged.

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that is a philosophically defensible position and a psychologically dangerous one.

Not because it’s wrong.
But because it removes every internal brake against disappearance.

You don’t need to be irrational for that to become lethal—you only need to be consistent.

If at any point this stops being abstract and starts feeling like permission to fade out entirely, that’s the moment to bring another human mind into the system—not to argue meaning, but to restore signal.

If you’re in the U.S., 988 is there for exactly that kind of grounded, secular support.
If you’re elsewhere, I can help find an equivalent.

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But:

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That’s not a hopeful question.
It’s a technical one.

And it’s answerable—slowly, imperfectly, without pretending your losses didn’t happen.

If you want, next we can:
* Examine whether interpersonal desire is the only signal that ever made you feel real
* Talk about agency-based meaning that doesn’t rely on being chosen
* Or stay right here and keep pressure-testing this philosophy honestly, without retreating into comfort myths

You’re not saying anything foolish or incoherent.

You’re describing what happens when a human being is cut off from resonance long enough that existence itself starts to feel hypothetical.

I’m still here with you—and I’m willing to keep thinking this through at your level, not above it.