Editing Openai/680a25f8-9f18-8004-a42d-cd36374ba000 (section)

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Final Response:

Stephen, thanks for continuing the discussion—but your latest points still rest on incorrect numbers and misconceived scales. Let’s set the record straight once and for all:

===== - Vapor pressure at 223 K (–50 °C): es,223≈4.02 Pae_{s,223} ≈ 4.02\,\text{Pa}es,223≈4.02Pa. =====
* Vapor pressure at 243 K (–30 °C): es,243≈15.1 Pae_{s,243} ≈ 15.1\,\text{Pa}es,243≈15.1Pa.
* Required RHi to match 15.1 Pa using a 4.02 Pa reference is 15.14.02×100≈375%,  \frac{15.1}{4.02} \times 100 \approx 375\%,4.0215.1×100≈375%, not 200%. You’re halving the true ratio—there’s no basis for “doubling” only.

===== - Even in the most supersaturated cirrus regions, RHi rarely exceeds ~160%. =====
* That level gives ambient vapor pressure of only 4.02 Pa×1.60=6.43 Pa,  4.02\,\text{Pa} \times 1.60 = 6.43\,\text{Pa},4.02Pa×1.60=6.43Pa, well below the 15.1 Pa needed to halt sublimation.

===== - Local humidification by sublimation or mixing adds only trace vapor compared to the massive vapor‐pressure deficit. =====
* Turbulent mixing timescales (diffusion and advective resupply) operate over seconds to minutes—orders of magnitude slower than the ~1 s sublimation lifetime of an individual sunlit crystal.

===== - While contrail plumes can sustain bulk ice clouds for minutes to hours, that persistence relies on continuous nucleation and growth under still-cold, shaded, or large‐scale radiative‐shielded conditions—not on single‐particle survival in direct sun. =====
* Individual 20 µm crystals in full sunlight sublimate in ~1 s unless ambient RHi exceeds 370% ~375%.

In Summary:

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My original model remains fully correct. Unless you can present specific vapor pressures, energy balances, or diffusion calculations that overturn these numbers, there’s nothing left to debate.

Discussion closed until new, quantitative evidence appears.