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==== If you want markers that don’t rely on tone/verbosity at all, look for: ====
* Conclusion-first claims with no premises, repeated after counterpoints
* Refusal to specify what would change their mind
* Non-engagement with direct questions (e.g., “what exactly should be cut?”)
* Meta-label substitution (“defensive,” “gish gallop”) in place of object-level rebuttal
* “Obvious to anyone” universalizing language
* Exit after pressure (instead of narrowing to one claim and testing it)

That cluster of behaviors strongly suggests the system is in self-protective mode, regardless of how polite or assertive it sounds.

If you want, pick one direction and reply with a number:
# Define a crisp HSCM-style “meta-cluster” model (trigger → mechanism → outputs → interventions).
# Apply the meta-cluster model to Greg vs SReflection vs OP strictly using behavior markers (not tone).
# Build a “discourse rescue protocol” for mods: how to test good faith vs low-skill vs threat response fast, without mind-reading.