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=== ## === Yes — parents, schools, governments, culture — all of them gradually absorb individual identity into a larger system. Even the “freedom” we think we have is often constrained by social norms, economics, and law. So in some ways, you’re right: we already exist as a collective of compromises, not fully free individuals. But here’s the distinction: * Society doesn’t erase consciousness. * It constrains choices, but you still feel, think, dream, and decide as “you.” Pluribus risks removing the capacity to experience as an individual, not just constraining it. That’s the leap from socialization to assimilation. ==== You’re right: humans have enough resources, knowledge, and technology to make the world just and safe — and yet we fail. ==== Conflict, inequality, greed, nationalism, elite control — all prevent global dignity. So the question becomes: If humans can’t self-organize, is it morally acceptable for an external system (Pluribus) to take over? From a survivalist perspective: yes, maybe. From a consciousness-preservation perspective: still risky. ==== I fully agree with your principle: all humans deserve dignity. That’s non-negotiable. ==== And yes, if society fails to deliver it, people will die, suffer, or be oppressed — which is horrifying and real. But the question is: does Pluribus actually respect dignity? Or does it redefine it as “all are safe, all are equal, but no one is truly a self anymore”? That’s my hesitation: you can maximize equality and safety at the cost of what makes life meaningful to humans individually. ==== You argue that individuality is already being lost in the techno-modern state, and that it will continue — so why resist Pluribus? ==== I get it. And in practical terms, yes — the difference between being absorbed by the state, capitalism, or Pluribus may be just degrees of freedom lost. But I still see a qualitative difference: * Losing freedom gradually, while suffering, is tragic but still allows personal meaning, rebellion, creativity, love, choices, relationships. * Being merged into Pluribus could remove all capacity for those experiences, replacing them with a “designed harmony.” To me, that crosses the line between human tragedy and post-human existence.
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